RSOB Chapter 6H: Relief Pitchers

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In the eternal quest for the elusive SAVE, it’s all about Skill and Opportunity, right? If you have enough Skill, the Opportunity will come. Well, it’s not that simple.

Opportunity can come from a variety of sources, from skill, to depth chart attrition, to outwardly random managerial whim. That’s the case with every role. But the fickle nature of Opportunity is perhaps most notable when it comes to closers. And since the only real value that closers have is in generating saves, a lost Opportunity can be fatal.

So fantasy leaguers don’t typically invest a lot here. That’s smart.

This following list includes all the prime candidates to see saves plus other relievers who have, at minimum, a dual-asset skill set. The non-save pitchers higher on the list are the better options for “roster filler that won’t hurt you” and could potentially help your ratios. Often, when a starter goes down, it’s better to replace him with a high-skilled reliever than a Brett Oberholtzer.

ASSETS LIABILITIES
PITCHER Pos Tm PT ER K Sv Pk Rg ER Inj Ex Nw Pk Ag Rg
Davis,Wade rp KC E+ K+ SV
Kimbrel,Craig rp BOS E+ K+ SV Nw
Chapman,Aroldis rp NYY E+ K+ SV Nw Rg
Jansen,Kenley rp LA E+ K+ SV inj-
Britton,Zach rp BAL E+ KK SV
Allen,Cody rp CLE ER K+ SV
Robertson,David rp CHW ER K+ SV
Rosenthal,Trevor rp STL ER K+ SV
Familia,Jeurys rp NYM ER K+ SV Rg
Giles,Kenneth rp HOU ER K+ SV e Nw
Osuna,Roberto rp TOR ER K+ SV EX
Melancon,Mark rp PIT E+ k SV
Papelbon,Jonathan rp WAS ER KK SV
Tolleson,Shawn rp TEX ER KK SV
Rodriguez,Francisco rp DET ER KK SV Nw
Rondon,Hector rp CHC ER KK SV Rg
Miller,Andrew rp NYY E+ K+ sv-
Street,Huston rp LAA e KK SV
Boxberger,Brad rp TAM ER K+ sv-
Ramos,A.J. rp MIA ER K+ sv-
Smith,Will rp MIL ER K+ sv-
Doolittle,Sean rp OAK ER K+ sv- INJ
Capps,Carter rp MIA ER K+ sv- INJ e
Grilli,Jason rp ATL ER K+ sv- INJ Ag
Mcgee,Jake rp COL ER K+ sv- INJ Nw Pk
Storen,Drew rp TOR ER KK sv- Nw
Benoit,Joaquin rp SEA ER KK sv- Nw Ag
Knebel,Corey rp MIL ER KK sv- EX
Strickland,Hunter rp SF ER KK sv- EX
Vizcaino,Arodys rp ATL ER KK sv- EX
Pomeranz,Drew rp SD ER KK sv- INJ Nw
Hernandez,David rp PHI e K+ sv- INJ Nw
Ziegler,Brad rp ARI ER SV Ag Rg
Casilla,Santiago rp SF ER k sv-
Jeffress,Jeremy rp MIL ER k sv-
Perkins,Glen rp MIN e KK sv-
Diaz,Jumbo rp CIN e KK sv- e
Jepsen,Kevin rp MIN e k sv-
Cishek,Steve rp SEA e k sv- Nw
Quackenbush,Kevin rp SD e k sv- e
Contreras,Carlos rp CIN K+ sv- EX
Betances,Dellin rp NYY ER K+
Cecil,Brett rp TOR ER K+
O Day,Darren rp BAL ER K+
Romo,Sergio rp SF ER K+
Sipp,Tony rp HOU ER K+
Strop,Pedro rp CHC ER K+
Grimm,Justin rp CHC ER K+ inj-
Holland,Greg rp KC ER K+ inj-
Kelley,Shawn rp WAS ER K+ inj- Nw
Alvarez,Dario rp NYM ER K+ EX
Armstrong,Shawn rp CLE ER K+ EX
Drake,Oliver rp BAL ER K+ EX
Givens,Mychal rp BAL ER K+ EX
Goody,Nicholas rp NYY ER K+ EX
Kela,Keone rp TEX ER K+ EX
Weiss,Zack rp CIN ER K+ EX
Baez,Pedro rp LA ER K+ inj- e
Jones,Nate rp CHW ER K+ INJ
Walden,Jordan rp STL ER K+ INJ
Uehara,Koji rp BOS ER K+ INJ Ag
Qualls,Chad rp COL e sv- Nw Pk Ag
Duke,Zach rp CHW ER KK
Gregerson,Luke rp HOU ER KK
Herrera,Kelvin rp KC ER KK
Watson,Tony rp PIT ER KK
Madson,Ryan rp OAK ER KK Nw
Cedeno,Xavier rp TAM ER KK e
Krol,Ian rp ATL ER KK e Nw
Smith,Carson rp BOS ER KK e Nw
Bracho,Silvino rp ARI ER KK EX
Broadway,Michael rp SF ER KK EX
Edwards,Jonathan rp SD ER KK EX
Garcia,Yimi rp LA ER KK EX
Patton,Spencer rp CHC ER KK EX
Furbush,Charlie rp SEA ER KK INJ
Simmons,Shae rp ATL ER KK inj- EX
Hatcher,Chris rp LA ER KK INJ e
Hoover,J.J. rp CIN k sv-
Alburquerque,Al rp LAA e K+
Bastardo,Antonio rp NYM e K+
Diekman,Jake rp TEX e K+
Fields,Joshua rp HOU e K+
Perez,Oliver rp WAS e K+ Nw
Rutckyj,Evan rp ATL e K+ EX
Lindgren,Jacob rp NYY e K+ inj- EX
Harris,Will rp HOU ER k
Howell,J.P. rp LA ER k
Loup,Aaron rp TOR ER k
Shaw,Bryan rp CLE ER k
Vincent,Nick rp SD ER k
Hendriks,Liam rp OAK ER k Nw
Warren,Adam rp CHC ER k Nw
Dyson,Sam rp TEX ER k e
Soria,Joakim rp KC ER k inj- Nw
Dull,Ryan rp OAK ER k EX
Mariot,Michael rp PHI ER k EX
Oh,Seung-Hwan rp STL ER k EX
Osich,Josh rp SF ER k EX
Pazos,James rp NYY ER k EX
Tonkin,Michael rp MIN ER k EX
Zych,Tony rp SEA ER k EX
Brach,Brad rp BAL e KK
Matusz,Brian rp BAL e KK
Salas,Fernando rp LAA e KK
Siegrist,Kevin rp STL e KK
Thatcher,Joe rp CLE e KK
Wood,Travis rp CHC e KK
Clippard,Tyler rp ARI e KK Nw
Axford,John rp OAK e KK Nw
Scribner,Evan rp SEA e KK Nw
Caminero,Arquimedes rp PIT e KK e
Shreve,Chasen rp NYY e KK e
Johnson,Stephen rp CIN e KK EX
Morris,Akeel rp NYM e KK EX
Putnam,Zach rp CHW e KK inj- e
Blevins,Jerry rp NYM e KK INJ
Beliveau,Jeff rp BAL e KK INJ EX
Ramirez,Neil rp CHC e KK INJ EX
Rodney,Fernando rp SD sv- Nw
Motte,Jason rp COL sv- -ER INJ Nw Pk
Abad,Fernando rp MIN e k
Avilan,Luis rp LA e k
Blanton,Joe rp LA e k
McAllister,Zach rp CLE e k
Neshek,Pat rp HOU e k
Reed,Addison rp NYM e k
Stammen,Craig rp WAS e k
Tazawa,Junichi rp BOS e k
Torres,Carlos rp NYM e k
Cahill,Trevor rp CHC e k Nw
Petit,Yusmeiro rp WAS e k Nw
Rzepczynski,Marc rp OAK e k Nw
Wilson,Justin rp DET e k Nw
Colome,Alexander rp TAM e k e
Freeman,Sam rp TEX e k e
Garcia,Luis rp PHI e k e
Hardy,Blaine rp DET e k e
Lowe,Mark rp DET e k Nw Rg
May,Trevor rp MIN e k e
Choate,Randy rp STL e k Ag
Broxton,Jonathan rp STL e k inj-
Hochevar,Luke rp KC e k inj-
Cotham,Caleb rp CIN e k EX
Ellington,Brian rp MIA e k EX
Gilmartin,Sean rp NYM e k EX
Hessler,Keith rp ARI e k EX
Murray,Colton rp PHI e k EX
O Grady,Chris rp CIN e k EX
Vargas,Cesar rp SD e k EX
Zimmer,Kyle rp KC e k EX
Carpenter,David rp ATL e k INJ
Hudson,Daniel rp ARI e k INJ
Maurer,Brandon rp SD e k INJ
Mejia,Jenrry rp NYM e k INJ
Ogando,Alexi rp ATL e k INJ
Santos,Sergio rp NYY e k INJ
Bailey,Andrew rp PHI e k INJ Nw
Rasmus,Cory rp LAA e k INJ e

ASSETS: PT (Playing time), ER (ERA Potential), K (Strikeouts), Sv (Saves), Pk (Ballpark), Rg (Regression). LIABILITIES: ER (ERA), Inj (Injury), Ex (Experience), Nw (New team), Pk (Ballpark), Ag (Age), Rg (Regression)

Here is an insightful chart. These are the pitchers who were ranked as the Top 5 closers coming into each of the last four years, the pitchers who actually finished Top 5 in saves, and their ADP coming into that season:

2015              2014              2013              2012
----              ----              ----              ----
ADP TOP 5
Chapman           Kimbrel           Kimbrel           Kimbrel
Kimbrel           Jansen            Papelbon          Storen
Holland           Holland           Rodney            Axford
Robertson         Rosenthal         Motte             Rivera
Melancon          Chapman           Nathan            Papelbon
2015              2014              2013              2012
----              ----              ----              ----
ACTUAL (ADP)
Melancon (80)     Rodney (169)      Johnson (124)      Johnson (**)
Rosenthal (107)   Kimbrel (46)      Kimbrel (29)       Rodney (**)
Familia (465)     Holland (67)      Holland (125)      Kimbrel (56)
Boxberger (214)   Rosenthal (75)    Rivera (102)       Motte  (182)
Street  (121)     Jansen (62)       Nathan (100)       Soriano (221)

(**) Not in top 300

Every projected Top 5 pitcher had an ADP less than 100. But the only season where top 100-ranked closers dominated the final ranking was 2014… if you allow for the 169th ranked Fernando Rodney leading the pack.

The takeaway is that chasing saves leaders at the draft table is a fool’s quest. The best you can do is pay for current opportunity and skills. Then leave yourself flexibility to dart and weave during the season as the expected 40 percent turnover in closers takes its toll on your roster.

Here are the top 10 ranked closers in this year’s ADPs:

62. Wade Davis
64. Aroldis Chapman
66. Craig Kimbrel
71. Kenley Jansen
83. Jeurys Familia
84. Trevor Rosenthal
88. Mark Melancon
91. Kenneth Giles
93. Zach Britton
98. Cody Allen

This spread of 36 ranking spots equates to about $5 in Rotisserie value ($13-$18) and nearly matches the top 10 names on the BABS list. Buy any one; the risk of going belly-up will be the same. Just ask Greg Holland, and Joe Nathan before him.

And remember that, despite owning the skills and the role NOW, top-ranked Wade Davis has never saved even 20 games in a season. Ditto for 8th-ranked Ken Giles.

Since a closer’s value is in his saves, the only way you can get a real edge is if you can get into the head of the managers and know whether it’s going to be Antonio Osuna or Drew Storen, A.J. Ramos or Carter Capps, or Jeremy Jeffress or Will Smith. And you need to find that out before anyone else in your league.

A common question is whether to roster a lower-skilled pitcher who could get saves versus a higher-skilled pitcher who is not currently in line for saves. Do you roster Dellin Betances or Brad Ziegler? Darren O’Day or Fernando Rodney?

Given the fickle nature of saves, you need to cover your risk as much as possible. That means, if roster space and cost permit, you draft both. Never overpay, but both should come at a discount compared to a full-time, high-skilled closer. So if you can get one-and-one for around $15 or less, or 20th round or later, then it’s good to cover some of your risk.

 

16 Comments

  1. normanw5 on February 19, 2016 at 10:57 am

    Good stuff. (Jake McGee is now on the Rockies, though.)



  2. Ryan Secan on February 19, 2016 at 11:33 am

    We just moved our 5×5 12-team mixed league to saves+holds. Any chance you might create a saves/hold category? I can always do this manually, but I’m probably not the only to use S+H. . .



  3. shandler on February 19, 2016 at 12:11 pm

    Fixed. Thanks for the heads-up.



  4. shandler on February 19, 2016 at 12:12 pm

    Hybrid categories are not going to fit perfectly in this system. You’ll need to adjust, though skills are still a good indicator.



  5. lou novak on February 19, 2016 at 6:29 pm

    when all is said and done by you on this format– will we get any sense as to the prices for players in an auction draft?

    thanks — like your new concept and thinking.



  6. shandler on February 19, 2016 at 6:41 pm

    You will get a broad sense of pricing, but anything more precise would be in direct conflict with the entire concept.



  7. Andrew on February 20, 2016 at 11:41 am

    Pricing is market-driven anyway and often times has no direct correlation to a player’s true value. Hometown bias is a perfect example. Ron also sites recency bias in Chapter 2 as another example.



  8. Tom Howard on February 21, 2016 at 1:51 pm

    Two questions: Will you be releasing the “balance sheets” in downloadable formats? and, with regard to auctions, is the idea that you will be looking for players with similar “risk/reward” profiles, but where the market prices one higher than the other?



  9. shandler on February 21, 2016 at 8:43 pm

    Yes to both questions. The downloadable files are coming this Friday in Chapter 8.



  10. Paul on February 21, 2016 at 10:45 pm

    One of my leagues is H2H. Is there any tweaking that needs to be done?



  11. shandler on February 22, 2016 at 8:24 am

    H2H drafters might need to make some tweaks in the drafting process, like looking for more consistent players (which isn’t very projectable anyway). But really, you’re just looking for good players like anyone else.



  12. Chris Landreman on February 22, 2016 at 3:42 pm

    Awesome again! Last year in Baseball forecaster, you gave a top 10 overall, I am not seeing it this year, am I missing it? The big name last year that you were bullish on was Marte. Can you give me/us another big name that you’re bullish on? It worked out for me big time! I guaranteed you no one else had him 8th overall! Which I believe is where you had him. While he wasn’t the 8th overall best I don’t believe, $18 was a steal in my mind, which is what I got him for. Someone from ESPN is bullish on Puig and Yelich but ahhhh! I’m just not sure. I know you have a few names at each position but who’s that one big guy?

    Thanks!



  13. shandler on February 22, 2016 at 5:10 pm

    Marte is still on that list, and could get better. Mookie Betts is intriguing. Not sure I would be putting my money on “one big guy.”



  14. Chris Landreman on February 22, 2016 at 9:15 pm

    Sounds good thanks!



  15. Richard Lando on March 4, 2016 at 2:30 pm

    If Carter Capps is out for a prolonged period of time, as it looks like it may be, would A.J. Ramos go from sv- to SV in the saves category?



  16. shandler on March 4, 2016 at 5:42 pm

    Maybe, but it’s not guaranteed. Ramos may have a better shot at reclaiming the job than other unsettled pens, but until he’s the firm 9th inning guy, he’ll keep his sv- rating.